« Cara’s Daily Commentary, Thurs., July 26, 2007, 9:00 AM | Main | Week in Review #30 (2007-07-28) »

July 27, 2007

Cara’s Daily Commentary, Fri., July 27, 2007, 12:20 AM

Market Chat

This has been some kind of morning with more Internet problems in paradise. I am about ready to pack up and go to Toronto. Not really, but the thought has crossed my mind.

This morning after I downloaded mail and started to prepare the report, the network went off the air (AGAIN). So, I headed over to Immigration for my meeting, and having returned will now try it again.

Yesterday morning, in a report replete with continuing warnings and alerts, I inserted the following paragraph on which some of you focused, trying to position me as a Bull.


Nothing has changed in the market’s rising trend and cycle, despite Friday’s and Tuesday’s smack downs. The DJIA is down about -200 points only over the past five days since its record high, but is still up almost 300 points for the month.

So let me state my position with greater clarity. I’ll even use words you read here every day.

I set mental stops no worse than -8 pct from the cycle high, which, in the case of the Nikkei 225 is near the 16600 technical support level, or the FTSE at 6500, or the DJIA at 12750-12800. If violated, I would be out.

These are the three most important equity market indicators in the world. If one breaks down, I have stated all along that because of inter-listings and the global influence of market drivers that the other major equity indexes were likely to also break down.

As the FTSE dropped close to the 6500 level, I said the technical outlook was ominous, and that I would be out of the UK market as I expected the FTSE would then drop to the next support level of 6000, at which I’d have to see a recovery or I would stay out. On Wednesday morning, I stated clearly the FTSE had broken down.

As you know, for months I believed the Japanese market would go bearish first. But since the UK market is arguably the most sophisticated in the world in terms of understanding credit risk, and the biggest financial concern on the world stage today is the US credit market, I am not surprised the FTSE slipped first.

There is a much closer relationship between the UK and US equity markets in terms of inter-listings, so it is not surprising to me that as the FTSE dropped below technical support, the DJIA would also come under attack. So yes, I do believe that the 12800 level, which like the FTSE 6500 is the first line of defense, is going to be tested. And if it fails to hold, then FTSE 6000 and Dow 12050 (approx.) are the next levels to watch.

So, with the FTSE down about -80 points yesterday morning, and US equity futures also showing alarm, when I wrote my report, why did I write the paragraph I did? The answer is simple. I think “we have to be rotating out of the past winners” but not yet selling the farm.

In other words, half the farm gets sold at Dow 12750-12800 and the rest at Dow 12000-12050. Beyond that, if the Nikkei is also weak, and the FTSE in a confirmed Bear, I do believe the DJIA will not find a cycle bottom until perhaps 8800. If that were to happen, and you were to sell your entire portfolio at an average of Dow 12400 levels, and buy at say 9500 or lower, ie, within 8 pct of my presumed bottom of 8800, your portfolio would in all likelihood be performing in the top 2 pct of all professional fund managers.

Now if you are a day trader, that is different; but I am not writing for the day trading community. I am writing about the principles of trading.

There was a statement from a reader that he was focused on market internals, which I suppose was an inference I wasn’t, which I’m sure amused many of you. The Weekly Impulse Report from Jock focuses on market internals and last weekend those internals were highly negative. Moreover, we all have watched the RSI-7 studies every day here as the majority of Cara 100 stocks went into the Distribution Zone, and then as the Daily (and later Weekly) RSI-7 values dropped below 70, gave us a series of Sell Alerts.

So, beyond what I am doing, I cannot do more.

Yes, most of you were shocked yesterday with the pull-back in the US equity market. I admit that the first time all day I even had a chance to check, it was about 2:45pm and the DJIA was down about -425 points, and I thought perhaps I ought to write another report. But then, I thought, all that’s happened (so far) is that the Dow 30 index has dropped to its level of July 1. So, the market’s profit taking has removed all the excess of July, and nothing more. That, in my eyes, is not enough reason to sell the farm.

Let me repeat, some of the warnings I gave yesterday, just so none of you think I am a raging Bull.

… Traders are nervous, and it is not about earnings as much as it is concern for the US credit market, and the likelihood that widespread failures will lead to a rise in interest rates reflective not of an expanding economy or inflation or speculation, but simply elevated risk of capital markets failure.

… The market is quite late in its long-term cycle… this is not the free market at work. It’s the Plunge Protection Team, plus short-term oriented profit takers. There will soon be a time to buy the dip.

… US Treasury yields hit multi-year lows, as the Fed is trying desperately to stabilize the market.

… The $USD retained gains, forcing Comex gold down again, as warned here.

…The equity market is presently, I feel, at a crossroads due to the sub-prime debt fiasco.

… We’ll have to be careful not to chase equities here, and be quick to take profits on Sell Alerts. Also, we have to be watchful over Money Flow, which can be observed for the Cara 100 stocks in one of the Knobias tables below. Yesterday there was extreme rotation underway as you can easily see from this table.

… Government spending (and need to fund deficits) and failures in the sub-prime credit markets that wipe out assets of we owners and managers of capital are serious concerns today. A stronger economy will re-build assets, and help raise tax revenues of govt, but that takes time to happen. In the interim, traders need to see promise in order to remain confident. I suspect they will soon get tired of the waiting, and the monthly reporting of economic data and news from Iraq and Afghanistan will ultimately take its toll.

I could go on, but I think most of you know where I stand. The equity market is hurting, but not (yet) broken. Confidence has been shaken, and it will take time to repair.

If you seek long-term performance for your portfolio that beats the averages, then you are very concerned (what’s new?), but at this point you ought to be selling only your over-priced stocks as they meet Sell Alert conditions, and using the proceeds to add to positions in stocks that are giving Buy Alerts. Admittedly, there are not too many of the latter, and your cash position should be building up. And your margin debt, if any, should be shrinking.

In other words, it’s business as usual, and that was the point I was making yesterday morning. During the late afternoon yesterday, I watched an attempt at a recovery rally. The rise in the DJIA by almost 200 points off the day’s low was remarkable. There is no doubt in my mind that there is life in the old Bull yet.

Still, the day was a downer. For the record, let’s look at the damage.

Housing industry concerns and weak earnings from several homebuilders, like D.R. Horton, Pulte Homes, and Beazer Homes helped focus traders on the problems with their Mortgage-Backed Asset holdings. Also, WCI announced it can't find a buyer for the ailing Florida condo builder, plunging its shares -20 pct. Then, new home sales data provided yet another shock, down a massive -6.6 pct instead of the expected -1.6 pct drop.

Then Exxon Mobil (XOM) lost -1 pct in 2Q net income Y/Y, which was a shock because if Big Oil can’t make money at today’s Crude Oil prices, then inflation must be rampant.

Jobless claims unexpectedly fell by 2,000 and US durable goods orders rose +1.4 pct, lower than the anticipated +1.6 pct increase.

Crude futures turned negative midday to finish below $75 a barrel. The $USD moved lower against the Yen, Euro, and Swiss Franc, but recovered against the British Pound.

Treasury prices soared as equity capital fled to the safer fixed income market, pushing yields lower.

On a positive note, 3M (MMM) reported 2Q earnings were up +4 pct to $917 million, helping the stock as the sole positive Dow component on the day.

The Sell-side Bulls say that global growth is the real story this week, not market volatility. Today will be interesting to see if traders accept that position. It’s still looking weak. But, as you know, it is the close that is important. A weak close today will not look good for Monday.


The Cara Global 100 Stockwatch

This data is supplied every day by the folks at KNOBIAS, Inc.

Here are the previous session Cara 100 gainers.


Here are previous session Cara 100 losers.


Here are the Cara 100 stocks that hit 52-week intra-day highs or lows in the previous session.


Here are the Cara 100 stocks that had extreme volume changes in the previous session. Anytime markets start trending in the extreme, it pays to watch the change of price times volume (ie, Money Flow) of the individual stocks that are moving the market.

You are looking for the individual companies, the industries and the sectors, which are the areas of interest of the capital managers at that point. It is your job to stay on the right side of trend.


In Focus


If I have the time, I insert, into the interactive chart at billcara2.com, the stock symbols of the companies for which Wall Street broker-dealers have issued ratings. I’ll look for their Point of Cycle (ie, relationship to Accumulation or Distribution Zone and whether trending up or down) before deciding whether and how much of a boost or drag that analyst report could have on the stock, industry and sector. You see, a ratings change from a Sell-side analyst comes with a story. Humungous Bank & Broker (HB&B) tells that story to thousands of Buy-side accounts simultaneously. The result could be a change in the trend and cycle of the share price. It’s your job to (i) spot the change, (ii) understand the cause, and (iii) determine the implications for your portfolio.


Here is the Relative Strength Index (RSI) analysis of the Cara 100 company stocks .

Here, from “Chris,” using BillCara2.com data that is unsmoothed, unlike David’s data from Worden, are the charts of up to a dozen stocks with RSI-7 above 70 and below 30, from Monday:

RSI > 70 (0)

RSI < 30 (12 of 51)

It takes a day like yesterday to send the RSI <30 to shoot to 51 of 100 and the RSI > 70 to fall to zero. That is a serious fall-out.


Here are the Cara 100 stocks trading with the highest and lowest RSI-7, sorted by (i) daily and (ii) monthly values, for yesterday.

PLEASE NOTE. There are no daily, weekly, monthly >70 stocks, no daily RSI 7's > 70 and a lengthy list for daily RSI 7 <30.

The last list cut off BBBY, COST, MBT, EXC and ABV.


International Economics Review

The current US economic reports are mostly negative. Today, economists are expecting a major jump in GDP, but there may be reasons not to get too excited that the economic woes of the US are over!

US Economic Calendar for next week

Econoday Weekly International Report


International Equity Markets Review

Here is the latest session data for the exchanges of the Americas.

DJIA (interactive) chart


On Wednesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) closing down -312 points to 13473.

There is a lot of technical support in the 12750-12800 area (May-June-07 trading). There is even more support down at about the 12050 level of March-07. However, if these levels are broken, I suspect there will be a dramatic sell-off.

Previously I opined that if, at the same time as equity prices started breaking down, interest rates on the 10-year US Treasury lifted through say 5.25 pct, there would be a major equity market sell-off. Now, I think the US Admin (Treasury and Fed) will do all in their power to keep interest rates at current levels, or lower. This is the Plunge Protection Team at work.

If that scenario plays out, I expect that gold prices will lift because ultimately the $USD has to keep falling if rates do not firm up to meet the level of risk in today’s marketplace.

NASDAQ Composite (interactive) chart

Here is the latest session data for the Toronto Stock Exchange composite index.

Here is the latest chart for the Brazilian Bovespa stock exchange in Sao Paulo.


Asia-Pacific

Here is the latest session data for the Asia-Pacific stock exchanges.

These exchange indexes were down, as expected, today.

Here is the latest chart for the Japanese Nikkei 225 index.

The Nikkei 225 lost -418 points to close at 17283. That is a three-day loss of -718 points.

The Mar-07 16600 support level for the Nikkei 225 of the very important Japanese market is the critical one to watch this summer.

I set mental stops no worse than -8 pct from the cycle high, which, in the case of the Nikkei 225 index just happens to be near the 16600 technical support level. If violated, I would be out.


Here is the latest chart for the Singapore index . Note the phenomenal 12-month run. Eventually, when the Bear returns, I expect that Singapore, a small trading city-nation, will be one of those equity markets where the damage is obvious from the beginning.


Here is the latest chart for the Shanghai Composite index .


Shanghai was flat at 4345.

The Shanghai Fly reported as follows:

Bill,
Not sure if the news has hit the wires yet, we (China) will allow insurance companies to invest up to 15% of their assets internationally, which rounds up to about 300 billion yuan ($40 billion).

I'm sure you've heard of the latest GDP and CPI numbers. Economy appears to be overheating, the theory that this will slow down post-Olympics seems to have some merit.

For now, it appears the markets are undaunted, rising while the numbers suggest higher rates and more tightening from the financial authorities. (A few days ago, they raised deposit rates again, and cut the tax on interest from the bank from 20% to 5%.)


Here is the latest chart for the Hong Kong Heng Seng index .




Here is the latest chart for the India BSE 30 index .

The BSE 30 Sensex index was down -542 points (-3.43 pct) to 15234.

Download Astaire Weekly Report on India (dated July 24) courtesy of Deepak Lalwani.


Europe>

Here is the latest session data for the bourses of Europe.

Here is the latest chart for the UK FTSE 100 index.

On Tuesday, I wrote: “The FTSE is down -79 at 7:10am ET to 6566. This is looking ominous, perhaps.” Yesterday I added, “I’ll say!!!” Then the FTSE proceded to fall -79 points to 6376.

It is very important to me that the first line of technical support for the UK equity market has been broken. London is perhaps the ost sophisticated fixed income market in the world, and possibly traders there are troubled greatly by the breakdown in the US credit markets.

There is technical support in the 6400-6500 April and June levels. However, the real underpinning of the FTSE appears to be the 6000 level of March-07.

As I warned at much higher levels, “Should the FTSE drop to 6500 I would be out and would then expect a test of 6000.” Today we are at 6215, and the 3-month chart shows the trendline break clearly. That is what I warned about.

Watching the trends and cycles of UK-listed stocks in their morning session is necessary to help do your daily set-up for North American listed stocks. With ADRs and all, many of these companies have inter-listed stocks, and also increasingly every company’s business is becoming global in scope. As capital markets do not operate in a vacuum, traders have to be aware of (i) what is happening to prices in other markets (ii) the causes of those price changes, and (iii) the potential impact on your portfolio.


Bonds & Yields Review

Here is the $USB 30-year Treasury Bond chart.

“Noodle” is helping us sort through the credit market issues that are the most serious impediments to both debt and equity markets health at this point. Here is his message for today:


This is the first significant decline in liquidity that has not been "default" induced. We have to go back all the way to 1989 to see any meaningful contraction in the credit markets. That was clearly default induced with the savings and loan crisis.

This time the liquidity contraction is confidence induced. The forward leveraged finance markets stand at $250 billion of new deals yet to be priced. Over and above this number there are 35 deals stuck globally that have to be restructured and repriced.

That is a tremendous amount to be absorbed and this of course does not include traditional refinancings of existing leveraged credits, which according to Fitch may exceed $700 billion additionally beginning NEXT year.

These are significant numbers in aggregate. And all of this is occurring at a time when the consumer globally is struggling (e.g. retail sales etc...) and their is an ugly sense that the corporate CDO market is not terribly different from the subprime markets in terms of poorly structure and priced transactions.

The secondary leveraged loan and high yield markets are in a free fall. Names that were strongly bid just 6-8 weeks ago attract no bids today. The difficulty is that market value and cash flow based corporate CDOs are now facing the task of marking their portfolios in the wake of declining collateral values. The average leverage loan name is trading off 5-8 points. In leveraged vehicles this us dramatic

Let's say we create a levered CDO whose collateral will be levered bank and high yield debt. Let's say we use $500 million of equity and lever it 5:1 giving us a hypothetical collateral buying power in aggregate of $r billion. If we have a 10% or $300 million reduction in collateral in order to maintain the 5:1 leverage I have to sell additional securities and pay down debt. In the case above $500 million of original equity is now marked at $200 millon to account for the loss. The debt ratios however skyrocket to 12.5:1 or $2.5 billion relative to the marked equity of $200 million.

CDO managers are now forced to sell additional collateral to pay down debt to bring the vehicles into leverage compliance. What gets "sold" is the stuff that can be sold, resulting in some adverse portfolio selection.

The point is selling begets selling.

And the appetite for new paper - either to refinance existing deals or to purchase new paper - simply evaporates.

Ultimately, however, there will be new terms, structures and pricing that will reflect risk and clear the market. We are not anywhere near that point.


US Dollar Review

Here is the chart of the end of the week trading.

The trade-weighted USD has rocketed up to 80.891 at this point, Friday noon.

Yes, “It appears the Fed/Treasury has intervened to avert a collapse. Plunge Protection Team at work. Traders beware.”


Commodities Review

Interactive Charts of the CRB Commodities Index:

$CRB Index

The index level is presently 317.92. That lower level is helping the Fed as higher commodity prices above the 320 level will lift rates.


Oil Review

Interactive Chart of Weekly Crude Oil:

Here is the e-miNY Sept-07 Crude Oil chart.



This morning the e-mini September contracts are at 76.05, spiking sharply higher after 8:00am ET.


Gold & Precious Metals Review

Here is the Recent Spot Gold chart.


Gold (spot) is at 658.00 at noon. $USD strength is holding the gold price down.

It is still “Onwards and upwards to 750 this quarter, I believe” but traders have to recognize that the Fed cannot permit gold to rocket out of control. They need to support the USD, and other central banks are in that action too.

I did acknowledge my concerns here on Monday’s report before all this weakness in gold and USD strength set in. It has been more extreme however than I anticipated.

Earlier this week I said to be careful not to chase stocks as the Precious Metal group had already had a big run up in the past month. I said I feel it needed spot prices for gold and silver to move up a bit here before the stocks will lift again. Once again, this is not a forecast that prices are going down longer-term, but only that the risk was growing short-term.

All the time, longer-term, I am weighing today’s risk versus tomorrow’s potential reward. Moreover, I am always trying to assess where prices are with respect to trends and cycles, and the causes of that.

Since nobody on the Sell-side is likely to tell me, and I am trading in competition with the Buy-side (ie, to out-perform the market indexes), I have to look for leading indicators (bellwethers) of probable future price motion.

As to the overall market and gold specifically, the gold trend and cycle is a known lagging indicator of a broad-based Bull market. In a Bull fight, the Bear takes down the paper-backed securities first (credit market based interest-sensitive stocks) because they are the weakest storehouses of value. Next to come are the stocks of the companies that hold assets comprised of brand and patents and so forth because these companies have products and services people always need and use to some degree through thick or thin. Finally comes the commodity-based producing companies, which because of their control of the supply-demand economics can stay stronger longer. The strongest of course is the goldminer producing companies because gold is real money – a permanent storehouse of value. So, when the Gold Bear arrives on the scene, it is almost always a case of having desert to end the meal. By then, the rest of the market has already been consumed.

In the current market cycle, US Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chief Bernanke have managed to support the financials longer (in their price trend and cycle) than most of their predecessors. But, in the end, the free market will prevail over intervention because the free market is based on natural law, where ultimately human nature will drive people to do what they are going to do in any event, with the passage of time.

After a market pull-back through a complete Bear cycle, the Financials will be the seeds that first sprout as drivers of the next Bull. That happens because Bear markets send interest rates (ie, the price of money) down. We then borrow that money to build economically productive assets (ie, wealth); and the Bull then thrives and the Bear dies.

As I say, there is a rhythm to all prices. The market is a dance. Gold is the last one out on the dance floor before the music stops.

Usually. (LOL)

For this week though, this is not the free market at work. It’s the Plunge Protection Team, plus short-term oriented profit takers. There will soon be a time to buy the dip.


Here is the Recent Spot Silver chart.


Silver (spot) is all the way down to 12.60 at noon today.

More volatile that gold, the silver metal is a bellwether.


Here is the Recent Spot Silver chart.


The Precious Metal Miners stock index ($XAU) is at 143.93 at 12:12pm today. Traders must be disappointed, but this is a highly volatile market, where day traders have the advantage. I believe the long-term oriented trader will soon have an opportunity to buy the pull-back. But, the overall market direction here is very important as well.


Community Chat

My meeting with immigration went well, and now I shall await word on a permanent residence (with cable TV and ISP and phones etc). Yahoo!

Although the market has been volatile and many of you have been seeking guidance, my primary time has been spent in meetings and in the swimming pool. I expect things will change.

Otherwise I will have to return to Toronto.

I need connectivity.



Posted by Posted by Bill Cara on July 27, 2007 12:20:20 PM | Category: Cara's Daily Commentary

Discourse

Bill. Remember all our problems as humans started in Paradise. Just hope you don't have an apple for a computer.

Posted by: Horatio [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 12:40 PM [link]

Hi Everybody,

I have a few minutes and wanted to provide an update from the trench as it were - hopefully without too many typos and poor grammer which were sprinkled in my post to Bill yesterday. Sorry.

The credit contagion continues unabated. This morning I was in a meeting with a large middle market lender in the US whose executive was exercising MAC clauses on commitments for loans they had committed to. The importance of mentioning this is only the fact the credit crunch is in full force.

In addition to this activity, many hedge funds and levered vehicles (firms that buy debt and equity and then lever it up the wazoooo for return) have had their warehouse lines cancelled outright. That means if they are in the process of raising a levered vehicle and these firms typically ask the dealers for a warehouse facility as a bridge before they receieve permament capital. Thus the vehicles can "get into the market". Those warehouse lines are cancelled and positions purchase with those lines are being dumped.

The money center lenders who in conjunction with the Fed are VERY CONCERNED about the environment and are acting to reduce risk. This will continue to have an impact on global asset prices from stocks to bonds to art to (shudder to think) homes in the Bahamas.....

Be very careful. Have cash and live for another day. It will get better. It always does. We're just not quite at that point yet.

Noodle

Further today the papers have reported that in aggregate Goldman, Morgan, and Lehman are on the hook for $150 billion in aggregate in bridge loans. Please be aware that these bridge loans are not only for secured paper but also include a fair amount of unsecured debt. These numbers do not include Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase or Citi.

Mr. Paulson and Mr. Hormats (head of Goldman Sachs International) are telling us this morning that "there is no problem". I cant imagine any intelligent person actually believing them anymore....

Posted by: Noodle [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 12:46 PM [link]

jasper-yes...i'm now out entirely except for UNG/KRY/BMD...if this were Vegas, my chips would be off everything except the pass line + a couple of C&E bets...

i will concede that discipline (selling at the close) trumped karma (holding overnight) for the gold trade, although i was able to take it off the table on the bounce this morning...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 12:53 PM [link]

"Yesterday morning, in a report replete with continuing warnings and alerts, I inserted the following paragraph on which some of you focused, trying to position me as a Bull.


Nothing has changed in the market’s rising trend and cycle, despite Friday’s and Tuesday’s smack downs. The DJIA is down about -200 points only over the past five days since its record high, but is still up almost 300 points for the month."

"There was a statement from a reader that he was focused on market internals, which I suppose was an inference I wasn’t, which I’m sure amused many of you."

We needn't be coy here Bill. That reader was ME.

I do not recall seeing anything here that said you have to agree with the blog host and if you disagree kindly keep your mouth shut.

I made my comments and showed what I was thinking as a service to your readers. No one "called you out" or acted amused by the fact that my read was proven correct. No one acted amused or even hinted that your morning comments were erroneous or that my amplification of them was anything but helpful.

If you merely found the stage crowded when you returned Bill, I assure you the condition is easily remedied. This is your blog. I do not have to post here, frankly have very little precious time for it, and only did it to give your readership some guidance.

Perhaps your obvious pique is a reminder to me that I need to go back to what I promised to do: raise my two girls. Thanks for the "Ah-ha!" moment.

Best regards,

Posted by: MarkM [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:19 PM [link]

I'm trying to decide where to position myself right now. I'm keeping all my PM positions because I expect better from them, though I'm starting to get worried about the fact that KRY seems to be the largest at this point. I may have to dump some KRY if I can do so for even a slight profit on a bounce.

I've been holding bearish put spreads on ABK and MBI, but I closed my ABK one today since it had dropped twice what I needed for max profit and I didn't feel like tying up cash there. I might get back into that just because I suspect both companies will see things get much worse.

I have long SBUX and WFMI positions, and while they have been moving pretty wildly, my gut says that they will be improving unless the whole market tanks. I'm also stepping into NFLX right now since they've taken such a hit lately and Blockbuster will have to stop hemorrhaging money soon, so I think Netflix will regain the upper hand in subscribers.

I'm thinking I should add some more puts somewhere so my portfolio gets a little more market-neutral. Right now if I beta-weight my portfolio against the SPY, I have a delta of around 78. I'd love to get that down to zero by being long in strong sectors (PM, for one), and short in weak ones (MBI, ABK are some examples). Any good ideas for short positions out there, so I can make this happen?

Posted by: korvus [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:21 PM [link]

jasper-the market's coming back...if it takes the "port" within a few percent of your high for the year, why not sit on the sidelines for awhile...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:22 PM [link]

UNG catching a bid...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:24 PM [link]

Gentlemen,
I'm absolutely positive no harm was meant by either of you.

No harm, no foul.

Come on, it's a big web and we're all connected in some way.

Now be good.....

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:28 PM [link]

MarkM-

I think what it comes down to is that you and Bill were looking at different time frames. Yesterday morning, the short term picture looked very weak, but the longer term picture wasn't looking too bad. Remember, he tries to write for people with long term holdings, not day traders, just because he thinks that is where the majority of his readers fall. I know yesterday didn't bother me when it came to my long-term positions -- it was the short ones that were making me nervous.

I didn't get the feeling Bill was upset with you, but he perhaps took offense to the implication that he doesn't consider market internals. You are both great resources, and if you agreed all the time then we wouldn't need you both. ;) I'm personally glad to see you posting again, and I hope you continue to provide a different perspective from our host.

Posted by: korvus [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:29 PM [link]

I'm gonna probably jump the gun and take a couple of positions today if the karma's right. KRY at 331 was tempting...

Posted by: shark_attack [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:30 PM [link]

jasper-any move up right now is being met with supply...not to give unwanted advice, but a 5-6% hit to your portfolio can be made up in no time once the market bottoms...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:31 PM [link]

chris-i wouldn't do it (kry)...i think we close at the lows today...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:43 PM [link]

KRY is bouncing around quite a bit. The trading looks almost suspicious to me. Yesterdays push to 3.54 close and then todays plunge and recovery...

I'm still waiting to see if I want to buy my way back into this stock. I may take a smaller position than before.

On another note: HOV November and January PUTS are paying out sweet premiums on $10 strike price. November is paying 0.85! Might get put at 9.15, but a 40% drop from here seems just about as much as you could expect if the housing market continues to trend down.

Posted by: Fazeli [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:47 PM [link]

SDA up about 7% from yesterday.

Oil: I am adding to NXY and holding until October.

As for UNG, I think it may be actually be time to sell if you bought it lower in the last few days. NG glut is not expected to get better until 2008, as per my post yesterday.

Posted by: SiO2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:49 PM [link]

MarkM,
Both your analysis and Bill's elaboration of his opinion made excellent sense and will have interested many readers. I agree that Bill sounded a bit defensive, but I know how I feel when my computer/internet is misbehaving, and I can imagine feeling a bit iritable under such circumstances.
Please hang in with the group and continue publishing useful and interesting comments.

(Apologies in advance if this ends up being a duplicate message courtesy of TypeKey.)

Posted by: JonEB [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:50 PM [link]

jas-if you're looking to rotate into something, take a look at UNG...it's been there and done that, and appears to have no correlation to the market...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 1:50 PM [link]

Hmmm, according to the news, I *could* have been an astronaut afterall.

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:02 PM [link]

Think so? If I were the Plunge People I'd hit the thiner Friday market with a little love at 2:15 and 3:30 to close things up decently this week.

Posted by: shark_attack [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:03 PM [link]

2nd ave,
as an outsider looking in, there can be more objectivity. Curious. Are you identifying the choice of going to 100%cash on a bounce? If that takes me to lets say 4% off my high, and the mkt later does a 10-15% correction, i'd be patting myself on the back as job well done.

MarkM:
Like wow. I had the same reaction. Stress plus other stuff may play a role. NEVER dawned on me that a comparison was inferred. What I did think was that there are so many ways for the blind man to touch the elephant and that I needed to go back to a way that fit my brain: charts. FWIW, I just added one:$ppc 21 day. Danger zones: sudden large drop in pessimism or prolonged narrow volatility when pessimism is moderately low. Just a thought from staring at the chart.

If there was a way to chart bullish percentage of cara 100 or multiple industry groups that would be interesting too.

Posted by: jasper [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:04 PM [link]

MarkM,
As others have said before, I also value your postings, as they are concise and insightful. As I occasionally need a 2x4 up the side of the head to pay attention, I actually get more from Bill and others when there is the …for lack of a better word…argument. I learn more by reading postings that define and then redefine your take on what’s happening. Yesterday was stressful for me as I have a small retirement portfolio that I am ….in the local vernacular, repricing risk as I have entered a phase of reduced earnings and can ill afford even the standard 8% stops.
If you can ill afford the time you spent posting…by all means, pay attention to those that matter most. If you are backing away because some old bull (no offense, Bill) snorted at your words, I would have to reevaluate your conviction in those words.
To Bill, thanks for fighting through the roadblocks to get a post out. It’s a testament to your efforts that the posts continued last night into the wee hours and then picked up again in the am today. At 1am pst, I actually wrote a long rant slamming some canuk who was shouting about the stupidity of us americans. I decided that if I continued and went ahead and posted, I would just be proving his point.
Bill you may want to consider elevating MarkM to XO position or sending him a free copy of your book. The discussion back and forth allows the sense of the words to sink in. The net effect of the response by you that I plucked out was….
“The equity market is hurting, but not (yet) broken. Confidence has been shaken, and it will take time to repair.”
I needed to hear that.
Thanks to all posters from beautiful Whidbey Island
Peace
Gray

Posted by: Photogray [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:07 PM [link]

Well written Gray... I think your words spoke for many others who linger here.

MarkM: fight the urge to get annoyed... if you are truly here to help us learn, then teach with patience and conviction. We're listening...

Bill: thanks indeed for going through all the headaches out in paradise to bring us our daily Cara report. It IS appreciated.

Totally unrelated: where is g034? I miss those posts.

Posted by: Fazeli [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:15 PM [link]

Committee: US Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Title: The State of the Securities Markets
Date: 7/31/07
Time: 9:30 AM
Place: 538 Dirksen Senate Office Building

Publication: Printable Hearing not available at this time


Witnesses

Panel 1
Honorable Christopher Cox , Chairman, Securities and Exchange Commission

Posted by: Patchie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:19 PM [link]

Ditto Gray.

Posted by: jasper [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:20 PM [link]

jas-100% cash not a bad idea...wife and i are presently down 3.4% from a mere two weeks ago (would be more if not for plays on UNG)...as i posted on leisa's blog last night (and i believe she has gone to 100% cash in at least one of her accounts), few emotions rival that of having plenty of powder during a sharp correction...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:25 PM [link]

With the thought in mind that the PPT is working to keep Treasury rates low (thus prices high and possibly higher yet to come), I checked the "seasonal chart" for Treaury prices and found it is positive for the next few months. I then looked at TLT, TIP, and VBISX (all of which are favorites of mine for longer term swing trades because it is very hard to make money on shorter term trades) - not too shabby, but might be due for a dip here - so they're on my list for disciplined trades.

Hope everyone will sleep well this weekend - I will sleep but I won't be happy - I had a "mental stop" on a swing, core position and then had a "senior moment" of forgetfullness - ouch!
spot


There's always a bull market somewhere.

Posted by: spot [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:26 PM [link]

Thank you Patchie.

I'd like to use a similar format to the democratic "debate" the other day where questions were from Youtube.

Perhaps the answers would be better with better questions?

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:28 PM [link]

Mark M,

Please continue to give us your expert insights. I hope you can raise your two girls with all that entails and have a few minutes to
write to this community. It is greatly appreciated.

Sarah-Hadassah

Posted by: SH [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:28 PM [link]

Craig...I have a couple question I am pushing to get asked.

Chairman Cox, The SEC continues to identify publicly that Regulation SHO has been working to reduce/eliminate settlement failures. How then is it that settlement information obtained under the Freedom of Information Act presents evidence that the level of fails today is far greater than it was when Regulation SHO became effective in January 2005? If SHO is working as effectively as the Commission has stated shouldn't the numbers be below the high watermark of January 2005?

Chairman Cox, all indications are that the markets are presently operating at their highest levels relative to short interests and at a time when the settlement failures are also at their highest levels. This is all being achieved as DOW continues to reach peak levels but under tremendous volatility. Is the Coimmission concerned that these metrics are all inter-related and that much of the short interest in the markets are executed into settlement failures and that the market volatility seen is partially associated with covering such failures through market raids? Has the Commission thoroughly investigated how settlement failure close-outs are being executed into the marketplace and is creating unhealthy volatility part of such equation?

Posted by: Patchie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:39 PM [link]

Didjya hear Cramer Stop Trading? His buddy Doug Kass assures him the market will close up today. There ya go.

Posted by: shark_attack [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:52 PM [link]

This week is difficult for all, for many reasons.

Let's take the weekend to relax (in all the many ways that we do) and come back at things Monday. I am surely worn down by all the market tensions and my own feeble attempts to understand what is happening and how to hedge if need be.

This remains a great blog with great commenters.

Enjoy your two day holiday. And thanks so much.

Posted by: bbcmoney [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:54 PM [link]

Kass is a major BEAR.

If I were going to stop the bleeding, I would get the pschology working as it has previously, that is, to lower treasuries (rates) and then run this old the ramp on Friday to give everyone the weekend to see the lower rates and higher close.

But I don't run the PPT.

Thanks Patchie, I'm sure you have more!

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:56 PM [link]

Geez, I need spell check.

psychology.
Run this old bull up the ramp on Friday....

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 2:59 PM [link]

Craig, were you able to get a chance to read the court documents I posted yesterday. Some amazing stuff in those documents. I am actually having a little fun with James Lyons today. His firm has been logging in and out of my site for better than an hour now as I drafted him a memo clairifying securities laws for him.

Posted by: Patchie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:07 PM [link]

Not yet but I will over the weekend.

The whole idea of more stocks shorted than in the float should be enough one would think.

But that would be logical. Oh, and honest.

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:15 PM [link]

Did some more shopping today.
added BMD, INFY,KRY, GRS

IBKR (1400 shares between 21.72 and 33) is smiling at me after few painful days!

Posted by: JogyP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:16 PM [link]

I too said the market internal suck, which I think is putting it a little more emphatically than MarkM did. I further disagree with Bill that this is a "rolling correction", but that's an argument for another time.

Perhaps Bill was only clarifying his thinking vis a vis what some of US said yesterday -- if so, that's a sign of healthy debate and nothing to get touchy about.

Internals still suck, BTW :) We need a positive, CONFIRMING close -- or at least half-hearted attempt at a dead-cat bounce to convince this reader that the market's headed anywhere but lower in the short-term.

Posted by: omphalos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:19 PM [link]

Stocon: incase you didn't see my answer I thought I would repost it here for you.

"Pete or anyone else can you explain this please:

FOLLOW THE DOLLAR; IT TELLS THE STORY. Sure its fallen slightly in the last couple days, but unless it finds a way to erase the DEBT AND DEFICIT any time soon, this rise in the stock market is not anywhere near over.

thx Sto"

My Responce:

"Stocon its easy... the world economy is growing and U.S. corporations that are listed on the U.S. Stock Exchanges own assets all over the world: thus as long as the U.S. dollar is falling, the value of the assets of the U.S. corporations own outside the U.S. are growing not only from normal growth, but also from the growth of the currencies that are rising against U.S. currency.

YOU CAN'T LOSE BY FOLLOWING THE U.S. Dollar as long as the worlds economies are growing."

I hope that answers your question.

Posted by: Peter [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:20 PM [link]

I know that the readers here typically discuss stock picks and not market issues but I see them all as being very correlated. If what I believe is true, much of the markets volatility is caused by market makers and prime brokerages creating the swings to panic people out to protect their financial liabilities. If a market maker sold naked short and is forced to cover they will create sell side liquidity to move the markets to cover their fails at a profit or at least not at a loss. The similar holds true for Prime Brokers who have allowed clients to illegally sell and the Prime is on the hook for the failure of that clients trade.

If we do not expose this potential no investment is safe regardless of the issuers financials. you could buy today on good news but your purchase creatd a fail that now needs to be covered and such a cover will have to take place below the sale price. Your purchase can only move to a loss for them to cover profitably.

Posted by: Patchie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:21 PM [link]

LEND down another 10% today. It was difficult to sell the puts but it's now done. Will not buy again.

RadioShack reports next week, that's another good opportunity.

As for the discussion of a "correction", if I may add my 2c, with the DJIA at 13,000 I'd be concerned with a drop of a couple thousand points. Anything smaller is noise at these nose bleed levels. Just my opinion.

Posted by: SiO2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:33 PM [link]

Good call 2nd!

Posted by: shark_attack [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 3:45 PM [link]

I went ultrashort the S&P at the close(SDS), also SKF and DXD.

A crappy close doesn't portend well for a good monday open and I have no faith in the financials or their mouthpeices.

If I could find the shares I would have shorted IAI too.
THAT is a tell....no shares to short of XLF or IAI. XLF people!!! How big is the float on XLF and no shares to short in Scottrade?

If you are in cash that probably isn't bad either!

We need to renew the red wine review, I'm in need of at least one glass.

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 4:12 PM [link]

These days I pay a lot of attention, prior to buying a stock at a potential bottom, to make darn sure that when it closes it makes a good looking candle pattern. I will often sell the pos if that doesn't set up right. None of my stocks made a real good looking candle upon close, leading me to believe it's possible there's more to come.

Something about some nice dark rum and orange juice, isn't there?

Have a great weekend Bill! Cheers!

Posted by: shark_attack [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 4:14 PM [link]

Hmmm, good idea Chris. How about Cruzan single barrel Estate, neat?

Ahhhhh. Here's to the list.
Many Thanks to Bill.

Posted by: Craig [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 4:32 PM [link]

It's hard to engineer the famed 3PM Rally when you are on the phone fielding margin calls from YOUR bank.

No takers on the attempted squeeze in the financials. That had to be amusing as all hell to everyone holding the puts.

What a day for the Bears.

Thanks to those who understood what I was trying to do.

Posted by: MarkM [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 4:35 PM [link]

They painted the tape and forgot which way was up.
ROFLMAO

Also MarkM & Bill: I am a newbie and completely understand where both of you were coming from.

Bill carefully outlining that yeah there are threats but you have to invest the trends (aka, the fat lady is not on the stage yet)

and MarkM, yes outside price activity there are other salient things to keep in mind (aka she, also, is not on the stage but you can hear her behind the curtains la, la, la, la, la)

I respect both of your opinions, keep them coming.

Oh btw my SDS is up smartly today. It and RYCBX in my 401k are working as a nice hedge (or is that straddle) for my against the ropes miners. I am so glad that I had the guts to by them and next weeks financial calendar aint lookin' so great either.

Steve, Nevada

Posted by: agaunv [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 5:17 PM [link]

MarkM,
My only comment in regards to your post yesterday is that you could have gotten your point across with the traders that respect your opinion without calling out Bill or Twigg. I do that at times when I disagree with players in my field of expertise. It only inflames the others opinions. It is confrontational. And that requires that the inflamed respond by "circling the wagons".

Posted by: stktrader [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 5:58 PM [link]

I would find your straightjacket on discourse much too restrictive stktrader. I have reviewed my post multiple times to find the confrontational tone. I find none except a rather clearcut disagreement in message. I pointed out the language I found disagreement with then said I had to "respectfully disagree". That's a quote. I then laid out my reasons. If some find this form of argument too much for their sensibilities, I really have no response to that.

Posted by: MarkM [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 6:27 PM [link]

Bill,

Thanks for this wonderful forum and have a relaxing weekend.

Best,

Dave

Posted by: Patchie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 6:36 PM [link]

Mark,
One thing that I always noted about "Tradesman" when he was here was the fact that his trading was highly dictated by his view of the internals. He was always talking about the transports and other indices as the backbone for setting up his daily trades. It appears to me that traders like yourself that have moved to that next level bring this type of review into play. That is a transformation I have yet to attain.
Even if you post without names or references, the players that you are directing it towards get the message. But without the counterpoint. You get it, they get it. It's just diplomacy.

Posted by: stktrader [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:03 PM [link]

my UNG has done well, thanks for guys that pointed it out... one of the few green spots on my screen. The SKF I've been long this week has also done pretty good. I think I'll sell monday morning hopefully a percent or two higher.
As far as KRY goes, my strategy was hold and wait for permit or no permit announcement then sell... Still long, still waiting. Can't bring myself to add though!
I am wondering if I will regret not taking some profits in the miners. I am long GFI and KGC, and could still sell for a nice profit but the 20% I was up a few days ago was even nicer. I am going to watch the XAU/GDX and if it breaks below its 50 day average then sell them. Here's hoping for a bounce off it!

Posted by: chas [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:03 PM [link]

haha guess the GDX already has broken through... I trust the XAU more anyways, especially since it reflects my bias

Posted by: chas [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:15 PM [link]

IMHO, Both the reaction and the counter reaction are overreactions.

Just like the Mr.Market's overreaction this week :)

Posted by: JogyP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:23 PM [link]

Selloff continued after the close into the 4:15 bell. That sets up for a nasty overseas reaction come Monday unless Google merges with Apple over the weekend with no debt to finance the deal and Elvis appears to announce it on JWCs show. Also, some hellaciously difficult decisions as to EOM "rebalancing" next week. Nobody wants to show stocks that are off 10-15% in their client accounts and then field the phone calls as to why they are still holding these dogs etc, etc and BTW you said this was a good time to invest. So the bulls sure have their work cut out for them. And as another astute reader pointed out, the economic calendar is stacked against them as well so I am scratching my head as to how they staunch this bleeding.

stktrader, I appreciate your efforts and find your posts valuable. Bottomline, I did what I did for what I thought were very good reasons in a manner I was and am VERY comfortable with. I interrupted my sabbatical to sound the warning as loud as I could. We are now down 500+ points since. And as ooomph has pointed out, THE INTERNALS STILL SUCK.

Posted by: MarkM [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:35 PM [link]

I find it interesting that the puts on Crude Oil continue to get more expensive in each strike price even as the price of oil goes higher. I have had a buy on Jan 60 puts for a week or so at .75 (750.00 usd). When oil was lower earlier in the week, the puts were .84. Now with oil at higher prices the puts are at .94. I assume that there is fear of lower prices coming. I know there are oil analyst that believe $78 usd oil will be a double top formation.

Posted by: stktrader [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:40 PM [link]

"They painted the tape and forgot which way was up. ROFLMAO"

agunav, best laugh I've had all day.

FWIW, I was shorting XLF earlier this week via eTrade, and trading at-the-money options. You couldn't give the Aug 33 calls away today.

Posted by: omphalos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:43 PM [link]

Bill,

Thanks so much for all your time and effort into 'educating and helping the masses'. I'm a professional and nearing senior management in the mining industry and absolutely beam when you speak about how honest, straight forward and real the mining executives and senior managers are. That is my point of view as well and one of the reasons I'm in this dynamic industry.

I'm VERY new to taking control of my personal investing strategy and I am absolutely delighted by the wealth of knowledge and experience that not only you but your many team mates express in this blog. I relate much of my life experiences to sports and on the practice field there can be scuffles between athletes that are both highly driven to succeed. That's how you and Mark came across to me. I loved it! Here is why:

Guys, the more you hammer certain viewpoints around, the more 'inexperienced' investors like me have a chance to really begin to understand the nuances you take for granted because you live and breathe the material every day.

Bill, if you are going to the PDAC next year, I would like the opportunity to buy you a cup of coffee (or dark run and OJ as one other reader mentioned earlier, NICE!) as thanks for this noble blog.

FYI: I have taken the plunge with a position in WGI. As for KRY, the permitting process can be long and drawn out for what seems no good reason. I do not believe that management would purposely mislead the investor.

Cheers

Rugger

Posted by: rugger09 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 7:55 PM [link]

On the blog My 1st Million at 33 (http://www.1stmillionat33.com), he tracks the XAU put/call ratio. He notes that when the put/call ratio spikes over 5, it is good for an extended XAU bull run. In the past year it has only happened 3 times, with this Thursday reaching 7.3. Hopefully things play out like the last two times with one month returns over 20%!

* 6/12/06 XAU put/call ratio = 6.7, 6/13/06 XAU intraday low = 119.11, 7/12/06 XAU intraday high = 150.70, a gain of 26.5%
* 6/26/07 XAU put/call ratio = 5.3, 6/27/07 XAU intraday low = 130.83, 7/20/07 XAU intraday high = 159.14, a gain of 21.6%
* 7/25/07 XAU put/call ratio = 7.3, 7/26/07 XAU intraday low = 144.50, …

Posted by: bobj [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 8:03 PM [link]

bobj-that's exactly the kind of unexpected post that makes this blog such a great resource...thank you.

when things get too positive, someone reminds you it may be time to get negative...and when things get too negative...

Posted by: 2nd_ave [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 10:11 PM [link]

Horatio, I loved your post, which made me laugh.

MarkM, so glad to read your comments again. Thank you for making them.

Posted by: GemmaStar [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 10:54 PM [link]

MarkM/All-

Besides Monday's Asian & Euro reaction to our continued decline, many REITs are reporting earnings next week, including Simon Property (SPG) and General Growth Properties(GGP), both down almost 4% today, as well as Dow components Verizon(VZ), Procter & Gamble(PG), and General Motors(GM). Lastly, Friday's July jobs report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics is also due and I think those numbers can affect the markets significantly. The bulls have a lot of work to do next week.

Posted by: onlineaces [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 11:03 PM [link]

Stktrader: since you are looking at Jan. options, have you considered the fact that oil futures are currently in "backwardation" mode, that is, further out months are cheaper than near term? You say "I assume that there is fear of lower prices coming." Evidently you are far from alone in thinking that. I don't know how the Jan. contract has traded this week relative to spot, but that may be the reason.

Posted by: PK [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 11:45 PM [link]

To expand on the post above re: XAU put/call ratio.
Those charts came from www.smallinvestors.com
They chart the ratios for SPX, XAU, NDX, OEX, and DJX
http://www.smallinvestors.com/SP500/indexoptions.htm
http://www.smallinvestors.com/SP500/indexoptionvalueratios.htm
The second link has more ratios for each stock.

Interesting that in the past week the SPX, XAU, and NDX put/call ratios spiked up but the OEX and DJX didn't.

Then on http://tradermike.net he has a chart of Worden's T2108 (% of NYSE stocks above their 40 day moving averages). It shows an incredible negative divergence between the T2108 and the NYSE composite. But to really muddy the waters, the T2108 is at a level usually seen with bottoms. For those of us without T2108 he gives the symbols for stockcharts.com for % above 50 day ma:
$SPXA50R, $NYA50R, $NAA50R (I couldn't come up with a combination for XAU, HUI or GDX.)

So the XAU (GDX is similar) with this drop has retraced:
38% of the October - July move
50% of the mid March - July move
~50% of the end June - July move
The XGD.TO is not in the same positions presumably because of the Cdn$.

I just thought I would throw out a few more data points for everyone to consider before Monday. lol

Posted by: bobj [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2007 12:53 AM [link]

Bill: thank you again for your efforts with your great daily comments, in spite of paradise problems!
MarkM and G034 and all: Together with Bill's knowledge and teaching, your efforts for this community is what makes billcara.com the best source for free and clear thinking, with clever ideas and useful directions. I hope you can keep on coming here. The community needs its best minds to win the day against the new Evil Empire (most HB&B + the 0,1% of rich population + rotten governments making away with our resources and money - I'm Italian, so I know what rotten governors means unfortunately).

Posted by: Lelik [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2007 3:26 AM [link]

During this week:
SP500 -4,9% (1 year = +15%)
USO +1,3% (US Oil Fund ETF; 1 year = -20%)
Gold spot -3,4% (approx.)
NZD to Yen = 6,7% (Yen got stronger against a speculative currency after losing more than 20% in the last 2 years).

So what do we have?
1) Finally we had a little repricing.
Even higher asset prices means (for businesses) that does not make sense to expand. The more projects you do, the more money you lose, because the yield is too low. This situation will not help the economy. But...
2) We can change this with inflation. And we have it as we can see from food and oil prices (and wages in Europe and China).
3) Mild price inflation and mild asset deflation can help solve the current unbalanced conditions. God only knows if the change will be soft and slow or very quick and dramatic.
4) The safe haven now could be the Asian currencies more than gold. China and Japan can keep on destroying their currencies, but I think that now this is hurting them too (inflation again, they need raw materials and food at the end of the day!). The quick change of the rate of exchange between Yen and New Zealand Dollar (New Zealand economy is rather sound) shows this trend. Maybe it will change again in short time. But for long time oriented investors, I would feel safer with some money in Asian currencies, and some in gold, just as ultimate resource when the paper money will show some more cracks. It will, at least thanks to more money printing, because the rotten governments have to pay for what they do...

- Housing -
Here there is an interesting point of view about a change in the bankruptcy laws that may stop the slide in real estate values before it "turns into an avalanche that crushes lenders and homeowners alike."
http://tinyurl.com/yrockz

Posted by: Lelik [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2007 3:49 AM [link]

Keep posting, Mark. Your insights are valuable, and your tone is fine.
EJ

Posted by: EJStockman [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2007 7:23 AM [link]

Looking at a bunch of stocks this morning and many of them were way up in after hours trading on Friday (according to Yahoo Finance). For example, the DIA was up 1.43%, IWM up 2.18%, XLF up .82%, Mo up 1.24%, etc.

QQQQ and SPY not up that much, but still definately in the green and it's always hard to tell with SPY because of the 4:15 close.

That last half hour drop seemed somewhat artifical, so will be really interesting to see how Monday opens.

Posted by: bb [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2007 10:18 AM [link]

Isn't "Freedom of Speech" great !!!!

Even if the mkt's are manipulated,,lol.

Posted by: dabonenose [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2007 9:43 AM [link]

Post a comment

Thanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out)

(If you haven't left a comment here before, you may need to be approved by the site owner before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.)


Remember me?