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April 19, 2007

AMD, one chip in a whole lot of dip, Thurs., Apr. 19, 2007, 5:55 PM

I remember about a year ago losing a reader who had been boasting that AMD would knock off the industry’s 800-pound gorilla, and I called AMD a dog. Well look who's smiling now.


Yes, I even called INTC money in the bank under 18, referring to the company as Inteller.

Today, following the close, AMD is in deep doo doo. How low can this stock go?

Where are all the HB&B touts who had a large segment of America believing wrongly that AMD was the best thing since sliced bread? The company is now in trouble. It may need to be restructured, which by the way is not a good thing for shareholders.

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No position except maybe sympathy for the suckers who bought that story.

p.s., Next, I have to learn this tinyurl thing!

Posted by Posted by Bill Cara on April 19, 2007 05:55:21 PM | Category: 45 Info Technology

Discourse

Bill,

The funny thing (not) is that an analyst (JoAnne Feeney at FTN Midwest Research) upgraded AMD early today - before earnings were released. I am not exactly sure why she would that, but as a result, the stock went up about 4% to 14.60 during the day, settling at 14.28 at the end of the day.

Indeed quite dismal earnings were released, after hours price tanks to 13.80. At 5PM AMD states that they will have to look for further financing, as was reported here a couple of weeks ago, so it lifts to 14.70. Not exactly too serious, is it?

Posted by: SiO2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 19, 2007 6:06 PM [link]

I guess my buying a Dell laptop with an AMD processor didn't help them too much. On the other hand, imagine if every yahoo searcher convinced one friend to switch over from Google. Now that would put a lot of money in someone's pocket.

Posted by: Sailor Jake [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 19, 2007 6:24 PM [link]

AMD is a fiesty little co. that prevented Intel from doing to the hardware end that Microsoft managed to do in the sofware side which is to momopolze the planet with a crummy OS. Amd has always fought the price war and never stopped fighting for market share and because of this Intel had to dump chips and keep prices reasonable. They eventually even dropped the ball for awhile, and to the world's benefit Amd grabbed some market share until core 2 arrived. They have always been in dodo, check their history it's their natural state but they put a huge dent in Intels Margins and forced great growth in the processor biz and at a resonable price. The following charts paint a little different picture especially when you think how AMD has been unable to make money, intel could not put them out of biz. Their future is in Fusion. They will survive and I think they will someday pass Intel. HP,dell,sony etc you name em they are not gonna want this company to go out of biz and be at the mercy of Intel.. buy at 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion#Speed_increase

http://www.easystock.com/tkchart/tkchart.asp?stkname=AMD,INTC&prt=0&wt=3

Posted by: stocon [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2007 12:08 AM [link]

Stocon - i like your analysis - i think you make a valid point.

Posted by: sergio [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2007 12:26 AM [link]

AMD might be a dog of a stock but I bought an HP two years ago with their chip and it works great and cost about $500 less than the HP intel product at the time.

I concur that we all owe a tip of the hat to AMD for helping to keep hardware prices low. If Intel would have had no competition like Microsoft then we would be paying through the nose for inferior products (a la Microsoft)

I believe the extent of pressure AMD exerted on Intel is bore out in the reduction of assets over the last three years (specifically cash) from the last value line report. Competition creates better products at lower prices. IMHO we should all be rooting for AMD.

And please know this is not a commentary on Bill calling stock prices of companies as he sees them but rather my personal views about competition and the PC market.

Posted by: cb [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2007 1:04 AM [link]

I don't think that AMD is going anywhere. For years, until this generation of Intel 'core' processors, it's had the clear technical advantage, and has quite a lot more good will in the bank than Intel. You'll rarely find a computer geek running an Intel chip. This is evidenced by Google using AMD almost exclusively, and Sun using AMD processors for all of their non-Sparc servers.

Yes, good will isn't money, but sometimes it's worth more.

From what I've seen thus far, the main advantages that Intel has been playing over AMD have been an earlier start (thus more money in the bank), and far better control over analysts and equity market related media.

This perhaps not too different from the situation between Oracle and its competitors. The main thing Oracle seems to excel at is *stock marketing*. Larry Ellison takes a dump, and press releases fly around the world the next minute about the newest golden "egg".

They're products aren't that bad anymore, but they used to terrible.

That said, I wouldn't be a buyer of AMD or Oracle competitors (unless it looks like they'll make another acquisition...) _because_ of their comparatively poor 'stock marketing'. So, I don't necessarily disagree with Bill's positions on INTC or ORCL from a speculator's perspective.


-Matt

Posted by: mbusigin [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2007 1:19 AM [link]

cb and others,

I have not commented about the quality of AMD products. I do think however that after AMD was getting an avalanche of hype from Wall Street and in the media a year or so ago, the industry giant Intel decided to put an end to it with a price war. AMD was never as strong financially as many believed. They lost the war.

My knock against AMD at the time was really also an effort to get readers to focus on the difference between perception and reality, and to be wary of story tellers. With Intel's phenomenal financial strength and operating performance over the years, like HB&B, I combined the two concepts in my head and called Intel "inteller".

Times passes and the situation changes. Traders always have to look forward.

Day traders and short-term swing traders could, in recent days and weeks, have played the low RSI-7 on the Weekly and Daily AMD price series in order to take small gains. Now the "story" is that private equity will take out AMD. Maybe, maybe not.

Long-term investors have to look at the AMD reality: poor financial strength, poor operations performance indicating deficiencies in management, a very powerful industry leader as chief competitor, economic slowing, etc. Then add to that the fact that if private equity comes in they do so with their own needs, one of which is their use of debt in restructuring programs.

None of this -- not a single thing -- gives comfort to a clear thinking, long-term oriented trader.

The only thing I can see when looking at a two-year chart of AMD is the possibility that the economy might turn around and sales will bump. But if, as and when that occurs, will AMD have the resources to have the right product mix, plenty of production capacity, and so forth? I don't know. I would think that before private equity ventures in here they would know these things. But then, not being in the room, you wouldn't know what their game plan is. So you would be speculating. I am not a speculator in that sense of the word.

Besides, I try to make my life easy. AMD has too many complications. It is also not a Cara 100 company, for obvious reasons, so I don't waste my trading time thinking about it.

Sanjaya too was an interesting competitor on American Idol, but was clearly not up to the competition. He garnered a lot of votes, and a lot of talk, but in the end he was a loser. Now maybe private equity will see something they can exploit in him and he'll be trained and groomed and so forth and pushed out on the market. I'll still be listening to Bocelli, Celene Dion, Elton John, Josh Groban and (to put a dot on my argument) Carrie Underwood.

Posted by: Bill Cara [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2007 8:25 AM [link]

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