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December 6, 2006
Not everybody happy with Toll's guidance, Wed., Dec. 6, 2006, 9:38 AM
Credit Suisse for one are not altogether happy with Toll's 2007 guidance or forthrightness. ADDENDUM
From the Credit Suisse report:
Negatives from the quarter and call:
"(1) TOL wrote off $115 million of land with the majority taking place in California and Detroit. This was above the high end of its $50-100 million range last month. In the last three quarters, TOL has written off $152 million of land, comprising 3.4% of 2005 shareholder's equity. Although TOL provided for $60 million of additional write-offs in 2007 guidance, it emphasized that it's virtually impossible to predict.(2) TOL's operating margin guidance for 2007 implies ~700 basis points of additional decline from the 18.7% reported in 2006. The slide stems from increased penetration of spec units from cancellations (specs = 15-20% of backlog), requiring ~10% incentives to move, in conjunction with increased land costs, more communities and a generally tough environment.
(3) As previously reported, TOL's can rate of 37% jumped significantly from the 5-10% range historically, just below the group average of 39%.
(4) (CS) views TOL's optimism regarding market conditions and the potential for surging demand as disconcerting given what we believe is a lack of meaningful supporting evidence."
Download CS Dec 6 report on TOL.
Going into this conference call, UBS, the other major Swiss banker, had maintained a positive perspective, even increasing the 12-month Price Target from $35 to $38. We'll see if follow-up reports are available.
Download UBS Dec 5 report on TOL.
Posted by Posted by Bill Cara on December 6, 2006 09:38:08 AM | Category: 25 Cons Discretionary , Cara Global 100 Best Companies
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Thanks very much, Bill. It may sound like an exaggeration, but Ivy Zellman appears to be the only honest HB analyst left standing.
The mendacity of the sell-side analysts in this sector is matched only by the shills in the financial media.
Posted by: number2son
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December 6, 2006 10:24 AM [link]
Persimmon, Uk's largest house builder, share price reached an all time high today.
http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&epic=psn&x=17&y=12
Posted by: karzy
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December 6, 2006 11:40 AM [link]
It is said that Doctor Copper has a Phd in Economics and
its price shows growth or weakness in the world economy.
Recently copper inventories have been growing.
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/copper_historical.html
This is showing weakness in recent past.
But the price chart of copper is showing strength.
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?%24copper
Copper just got a P&F Buy signal.
I also remember that Buffet bought some drywall company
a couple weeks ago lol. What does he see? hmmm
I also notice that commercials are LONG Copper and
have been buying on recent weakness.
http://www.freecotcharts.com/charts/HG.htm
Perhaps China was waiting for copper price correction
and will now start adding to stockpiles?
Any thoughts?
Posted by: DollarBill
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December 6, 2006 2:42 PM [link]
Here's what I wonder about the homebuilders:
Are people buying them because there is some fundamental improvement or technical reason? It looks like, to me, it's simply a case of "They've fallen so far, they HAVE to go up."
I don't think it's known how far into the tank they can go. I wouldn't want to make the bet that they're done losing lots of value.
But I freely admit to not knowing a whole lot.
Mike
NYC
Posted by: MikeNYC
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December 6, 2006 5:20 PM [link]
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More on Toll and CS dialog with Toll at their CC here:
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December 6, 2006 10:18 AM [link]