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December 6, 2006

Not everybody happy with Toll's guidance, Wed., Dec. 6, 2006, 9:38 AM

Credit Suisse for one are not altogether happy with Toll's 2007 guidance or forthrightness. ADDENDUM


From the Credit Suisse report:

Negatives from the quarter and call:

"(1) TOL wrote off $115 million of land with the majority taking place in California and Detroit. This was above the high end of its $50-100 million range last month. In the last three quarters, TOL has written off $152 million of land, comprising 3.4% of 2005 shareholder's equity. Although TOL provided for $60 million of additional write-offs in 2007 guidance, it emphasized that it's virtually impossible to predict.

(2) TOL's operating margin guidance for 2007 implies ~700 basis points of additional decline from the 18.7% reported in 2006. The slide stems from increased penetration of spec units from cancellations (specs = 15-20% of backlog), requiring ~10% incentives to move, in conjunction with increased land costs, more communities and a generally tough environment.

(3) As previously reported, TOL's can rate of 37% jumped significantly from the 5-10% range historically, just below the group average of 39%.

(4) (CS) views TOL's optimism regarding market conditions and the potential for surging demand as disconcerting given what we believe is a lack of meaningful supporting evidence."



Download CS Dec 6 report on TOL.


Going into this conference call, UBS, the other major Swiss banker, had maintained a positive perspective, even increasing the 12-month Price Target from $35 to $38. We'll see if follow-up reports are available.

Download UBS Dec 5 report on TOL.


Posted by Posted by Bill Cara on December 6, 2006 09:38:08 AM | Category: 25 Cons Discretionary , Cara Global 100 Best Companies

Discourse

More on Toll and CS dialog with Toll at their CC here:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

Posted by: glenn-mp [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 10:18 AM [link]

Thanks very much, Bill. It may sound like an exaggeration, but Ivy Zellman appears to be the only honest HB analyst left standing.

The mendacity of the sell-side analysts in this sector is matched only by the shills in the financial media.

Posted by: number2son [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 10:24 AM [link]

Persimmon, Uk's largest house builder, share price reached an all time high today.
http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&epic=psn&x=17&y=12

Posted by: karzy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 11:40 AM [link]

It is said that Doctor Copper has a Phd in Economics and
its price shows growth or weakness in the world economy.

Recently copper inventories have been growing.

http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/copper_historical.html

This is showing weakness in recent past.

But the price chart of copper is showing strength.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?%24copper

Copper just got a P&F Buy signal.

I also remember that Buffet bought some drywall company
a couple weeks ago lol. What does he see? hmmm

I also notice that commercials are LONG Copper and
have been buying on recent weakness.

http://www.freecotcharts.com/charts/HG.htm

Perhaps China was waiting for copper price correction
and will now start adding to stockpiles?

Any thoughts?

Posted by: DollarBill [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 2:42 PM [link]

Here's what I wonder about the homebuilders:

Are people buying them because there is some fundamental improvement or technical reason? It looks like, to me, it's simply a case of "They've fallen so far, they HAVE to go up."

I don't think it's known how far into the tank they can go. I wouldn't want to make the bet that they're done losing lots of value.

But I freely admit to not knowing a whole lot.

Mike
NYC

Posted by: MikeNYC [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 5:20 PM [link]

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