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June 9, 2006

Did Buffett or money managers have a good afternoon?, Fri., June 9, 2006, 6:28 AM

If it is a fact, and not just my supposition, that Warren Buffett shot some of his plentiful ammunition yesterday at 5 minutes to 12 noon ET, it was a shot heard around the world.

But the truth could be that Berkshire-Hathaway just happens to be the safest port in a storm for fund managers who are compelled to stay long in equities. If you can't go directly to cash, then what's wrong with the strategy of parking your portfolio with Warren for a while?

I liken this strategy to the one back in the inflationary 1970's in business when IT managers figured they couldn't get fired by buying IBM computers, and IBM held some 75 pct global market share. Then in the early 80's, when minicomputers and microcomputers were seen to be successful, and a period of global economic prosperity started, those IT purchasing managers ventured out, and IBM's domination of the computer industry died.

My point is that it is human nature to be defensive when the environment is full of danger, and portfolio managers are human. Oh yes, computer programs may have put the market into action at 11:55am ET yesterday, but those programs may have been order management programs and not decision algorithm programs. I wouldn't know.

But I do know that Warren Buffett's holdings took off like rockets yesterday and I also know that Berkshire-Hathaway is a position of relative safety for those portfolio managers who cannot go short the market.




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Posted by Posted by Bill Cara on June 9, 2006 06:28:35 AM | Category: Cara Today in the Market

Discourse


I get it. It wasn't actually Buffett, since we're no where near the bottom of this Bear you've called, and Warren would also know this to. It's the frustrated and restricted portfolio managers on Wall Street finding a safe port in the storm. Got it!

Posted by: C.Note [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 7:07 AM [link]

Do you think the 10-yr Treasury Auction at 1pm ET also had something to do with it? Maybe it at least explains the brief spike in bonds just before 1pm, before the selloff in bonds continued minutes later.

Posted by: tc [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 7:13 AM [link]

Bill,

Good Morning!

Excellent detective work!

Warren, our premier capitalist, is the man. He ignores the minutiae of the market and buys into fear and sells into euphoria.

It's momentum and speculation; however, the more educated the player is to the vagaries of the markets, the higher the percentage for success.


Posted by: oratier [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 7:15 AM [link]

Correction for my last comment:

Looking at the chart for TLT, it sold off the hour before 1pm, then rallied for a few minutes starting at 1pm, then resumed its downtrend. So that explains the action around 1pm.

Posted by: tc [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 7:17 AM [link]

Bill,

Metals - Platinum and Palladium stocks:

http://goldandsilverstocks.blogspot.com/2006/04/palladium-ethanol-stocks.html

Might be excellent buy soon..? (when the correction is over..)

http://cmd-chart.blogspot.com/2006/06/platinum-palladium-futures.html

Posted by: real1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 7:40 AM [link]

I also just realized that on Thursday people started rolling over from the June to the September index futures contracts. I don't know if that has anything to do with the V-shape market action that day. Maybe someone thought it was an opportune time to go long relatively safe stocks and open new short positions in the Sept. equity index futures? Wild guess.

Posted by: tc [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 8:03 AM [link]

Berkshire Hathaway didn't start to rise until almost 2:00 pm yesterday, and then its rise was feable in comparison to other stocks. Your claim that stocks known to be in Buffet's portfolio all "lifted off" as the same time is also doubtful according to what I see on the on minute java charts at Bigcharts.com.

Posted by: dimmerdave [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 10:30 AM [link]

Dimmer,

No I didn't imagine this.

But you are right about one thing, I should have published the minute-by-minute charts of these stocks so I would not have left myself open to unwarranted criticism.

The night was late and I regret I did not have the time to do that.

I did NOT state that Berkshire Hathaway stock itself rocketed at 11:55am. Moreover, I did NOT state that it was every Buffett stock that moved at that time -- some clearly didn't.

So what's the point -- are you trying to hold me to an impossible standard, which is to say 100 pct thorough research and 100 pct perfect communication form, all coming to you free, 24-hours a day?

Or do you just want me to blog because I enjoy doing it at times, and tens of thousands of readers enjoy reaching out to it?

Posted by: Bill Cara [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 10:56 AM [link]

Everyone is concerned right now, we are all trying to understand and figure out why and what to do. We best do this in a calm state of mind. Be gentle in our working this out. Please.

Posted by: bbcmoney [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 11:19 AM [link]

Bill;
I think you're over reacting here a little. I enjoy reading your posts too. I know that you did not state that Birkshire "rocketed" at 11:55. But you seemed to be implying that big money had determined that Birkshire was the place to be. I am pointing out that any inflows to Birksire seemed to be much later and that it didn't lift the shares very much.
Also, I know that you didn't say that every Buffet stock rose at the same time. However, how about another look at the first two stocks, namely American Express and Alcoa. You gave a thumbs up to APX and a thumbs down to AA.
Hey, you say it was late at night. I can understand that. I'm not trying to hold you to some impossible standard or to any standard at all, for that matter. I'm just expressing my opinion that the pattern you claim to exist, may not be there. Did you want just all "yes" replys?

Posted by: dimmerdave [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 11:47 AM [link]

I think one has to be very careful when red boarding an event. There are 100's of plausible explanations for events, after the fact.

When you try and apply them in realtime, forget it.

The only theories that matter are the ones that are predictive, the rest is noise.

Let's call this kind of thing rational speculation, and not an explanation.

Posted by: procol [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 2:17 PM [link]

Let's call the "Buffet intervention" a hypothesis, and not a theory.

A theory is predictive, and all Bill has posited is a correlation, and a hypothetical explanation.

Kudos on the observation, BTW. Should it happen a few more times, one might make an argument, and even a prediction. But until then, it's just a tidy explanation.

Posted by: omphalos [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 11:23 PM [link]

Yes, its a model of what happened on Thursday, but what more do we have? Everything is a model and it's not Bill's responsibility to do our homework. Its our money and our responsibility. I, for one, appreciate the unique perspective in this blog. It allows me to research avenues that I would not have thought of myself (at least not nearly as quickly). I don't see anyone proposing a better model, so if you are going to criticize, let's hear your model and just exactly how it mirrors reality more accurately than Mr. Cara's. Criticism of this blog's author without construct is looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Posted by: CalexKitty [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 11, 2006 11:50 PM [link]

For the record, I began following BRK two weeks ago as a defensive play. The model makes sense to me.

Posted by: CalexKitty [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 11, 2006 11:53 PM [link]